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Mind & Happiness 119

Mind & Happiness 119

Just as a Dream appears within our own Mind, so everything that we experience in this Waking State appears within our own Mind.  However, though the World that we now perceive is experienced by us within our own Mind, we imagine our self to be a particular Body, which is one among the many objects that exists in this World.

Therefore if we wish to know the Truth about our Self & this World, should we not determine which of these 2 conflicting experiences is Real & which is an Illusion ?

1) Does this World really exist only in our own Mind, or is

 2) our Mind really something that exists only within a particular Body in this World ?

3) Is this entire Universe, which seems to be so vast, extending with no known limit in Time or Space, merely a series of thoughts in our Mind, or

4) are we merely an insignificant person who lives for a few brief years in a small corner of this Universe ?

In other words, is this whole World really in us, or are we really in the World ?

If this Body & World actually exist only in our own Mind, as the Body & World that we experience in a Dream do, our experience that we are confined within the limits of this Body cannot be real, & must therefore be an Illusion.  We could know that it is real, & not an Illusion, only if we could prove that this Body & World really do exist outside of & independent of our own Mind.

Can we ever prove to our self that anything that we know exists independent of our own Mind ? No, except our own Essential Self-Consciousness, “I exist”, which we experience in Deep Dreamless Sleep in the absence of our Mind, we cannot prove to our self that anything is more than a mere Imagination that is created & experienced only in & by our own Mind.

All we know of our Body & this World is only the thoughts or mental images of them which we have formed in our Mind by our power of Imagination.  Other than our Fundamental Consciousness of our own Existence, “I exist”, everything that we know can be known by us only within our own Mind.

The above themes & 2500 pages more are freely available as perused or downloaded PDF’s, the sole occupants of a Public Microsoft Skydrive “Public Folder” accessible through  www.jpstiga.com 

short-cut: http://sdrv.ms/YPOgkX or http://tinyurl.com/nnyyr58  link directly to free E-book PDF files

www.jpstiga.com/

http://jstiga.wixsite.com/nonduality/

Different blogs (but with graphics) are available on:

http://www.blogger.com     as  “Being-as-Consciousness, Non-Duality – new & final version” with link:

http://Being-as-Consciousness.blogspot.com/

There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

 for very succinct summary of the teaching & practice, see:  www.ajatavada.com/

[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

also:  Most of this material will be long searchable via “John Stiga” etc, on the “Wayback Machine” Internet Archive.

Also related to these topics, there are now 8 Kindle books on “Amazon.com”, reference-able by the author “John Stiga”, each indicated as noncopyrighted, publicdomain, & priced at the minimum $0.99 each.

Mind & Happiness 118

Mind & Happiness 118

Just as a Dream appears within our own Mind, so everything that we experience in this Waking State appears within our own Mind.  However, though the World that we now perceive is experienced by us within our own Mind, we imagine our self to be a particular Body, which is one among the many objects that exists in this World.

Therefore if we wish to know the Truth about our Self & this World, should we not determine which of these 2 conflicting experiences is Real & which is an Illusion ?

1) Does this World really exist only in our own Mind, or is

 2) our Mind really something that exists only within a particular Body in this World ?

3) Is this entire Universe, which seems to be so vast, extending with no known limit in Time or Space, merely a series of thoughts in our Mind, or

4) are we merely an insignificant person who lives for a few brief years in a small corner of this Universe ?

In other words, is this whole World really in us, or are we really in the World ?

If this Body & World actually exist only in our own Mind, as the Body & World that we experience in a Dream do, our experience that we are confined within the limits of this Body cannot be real, & must therefore be an Illusion.  We could know that it is real, & not an Illusion, only if we could prove that this Body & World really do exist outside of & independent of our own Mind.

Can we ever prove to our self that anything that we know exists independent of our own Mind ? No, except our own Essential Self-Consciousness, “I exist”, which we experience in Deep Dreamless Sleep in the absence of our Mind, we cannot prove to our self that anything is more than a mere Imagination that is created & experienced only in & by our own Mind.

All we know of our Body & this World is only the thoughts or mental images of them which we have formed in our Mind by our power of Imagination.  Other than our Fundamental Consciousness of our own Existence, “I exist”, everything that we know can be known by us only within our own Mind.

The above themes & 2500 pages more are freely available as perused or downloaded PDF’s, the sole occupants of a Public Microsoft Skydrive “Public Folder” accessible through  www.jpstiga.com 

short-cut: http://sdrv.ms/YPOgkX or http://tinyurl.com/nnyyr58  link directly to free E-book PDF files

www.jpstiga.com/

http://jstiga.wixsite.com/nonduality/

Different blogs (but with graphics) are available on:

http://www.blogger.com     as  “Being-as-Consciousness, Non-Duality – new & final version” with link:

http://Being-as-Consciousness.blogspot.com/

There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

 for very succinct summary of the teaching & practice, see:  www.ajatavada.com/

[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

also:  Most of this material will be long searchable via “John Stiga” etc, on the “Wayback Machine” Internet Archive.

Also related to these topics, there are now 8 Kindle books on “Amazon.com”, reference-able by the author “John Stiga”, each indicated as noncopyrighted, publicdomain, & priced at the minimum $0.99 each.

Mind & Happiness 117

Mind & Happiness 117

The Consciousness that experiences both Waking & Dream is our Mind, & our Mind always experiences itself as Existence a particular Body, which is a part of the World that it is currently experiencing.  If we did not limit our self as a Body & as a Body-bound Mind, we could not experience anything as Existence other than our self, because in Reality we are the unlimited Consciousness in which this entire Dream of Duality appears.

Since we are the Infinite Consciousness in which all things appear & disappear, we alone really exist, & nothing that appears to exist can really be other than our self.  Therefore our Real Consciousness can never know anything other than itself – our own Real Self or Essential Existence, “I exist”.  All otherness is experienced only by our Mind, which is a limited & distorted form of our Real Consciousness.

A Dream actually appears within our own Mind, but our Mind experiences itself as Existence a Body that exists within that Dream.  Such is the self-delusive power of our Imagination. Therefore in verse 3 of Ēkātma Pañcakam Sri Ramana says:

When [our] Body exists within our self [who are the basic Consciousness in which all things appear], a person who thinks himself [or herself] to be existing within that inconscient [material]

Body is like someone who thinks that the Screen, [which is] the ādhāra [the underlying support or base] of a [cinema] picture, exists within that picture.”

In the kaliveversion of Ēkātma Pañcakam Sri Ramana added the compound word sat-cit-ānanda, which means “Existence-Consciousness-Bliss”, before the initial word of this verse, taṉṉuor “within [our] self”, thereby reminding us that what we are in essence is only the perfectly peaceful Consciousness of Existence, “I exist””I am”.

Other than our basic Consciousness of our own Existence, everything that we know appears within the distorted “object-knowing” form of our Consciousness that we call our Mind, which arises within us during Waking & Dream, & subsides back into our Self during Deep Dreamless Sleep.  Our true Consciousness of Existence – our Essential Self-Consciousness “I exist” – is therefore like the Screen on which a Cinema picture is projected because it is the one fundamental ādhāra or underlying base that supports the appearance & disappearance of our Mind & every thing that is known by the Mind.

The above themes & 2500 pages more are freely available as perused or downloaded PDF’s, the sole occupants of a Public Microsoft Skydrive “Public Folder” accessible through  www.jpstiga.com 

short-cut: http://sdrv.ms/YPOgkX or http://tinyurl.com/nnyyr58  link directly to free E-book PDF files

www.jpstiga.com/

http://jstiga.wixsite.com/nonduality/

Different blogs (but with graphics) are available on:

http://www.blogger.com     as  “Being-as-Consciousness, Non-Duality – new & final version” with link:

http://Being-as-Consciousness.blogspot.com/

There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

 for very succinct summary of the teaching & practice, see:  www.ajatavada.com/

[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

also:  Most of this material will be long searchable via “John Stiga” etc, on the “Wayback Machine” Internet Archive.

Also related to these topics, there are now 8 Kindle books on “Amazon.com”, reference-able by the author “John Stiga”, each indicated as noncopyrighted, publicdomain, & priced at the minimum $0.99 each.

Mind & Happiness 116

Mind & Happiness 116

Though we are in Reality the Infinite Consciousness of just Existence the essential Non-Dual Self-Consciousness “I exist” we imagine our self to be this finite “object-knowing” Consciousness that we call our Mind.  All that we know as other than our self all our thoughts, Feelings & Perceptions are merely products of our own Imagination, & they appear to exist only because we imagine our self to be something separate from them.  In Deep Dreamless Sleep we experience our Non-Dual Self-Consciousness “I exist”, but we do not experience any otherness, separation or Duality.

Even in Waking & Dream we experience this same Non-Dual Self-Consciousness “I exist”, but along with it we also experience the Illusion of otherness, separation or Duality.  Nothing that we experience is actually other than our own Essential Consciousness.  Our Consciousness is the fundamental substance that appears as all other things.  Other things are all products of our Imagination.  What we call our Imagination is a power or faculty that our Consciousness possesses to modify itself seemingly into the form of our Thoughts, Feelings, & Perceptions.

When we imagine our experience of Thoughts, Feelings, & Perceptions, we create a seeming separation between our self & these objects of our Consciousness.  Therefore if we did not first imagine our self to be something separate something limited or finite we could not experience anything as being other than our self.  Hence, in order to imagine the “existence” of things other  than our self, we must begin by imagining our self to be one among the many finite things that we thus imagine.

Thus in order to experience a World, whether this World that we perceive in our present Waking State or the World that we perceive in any of our other Dreams, we must simultaneously imagine  our self to be a particular Body in that World.  We can clearly recognize this fact when we consider our experience in Dream.

We do not experience a Dream in the same manner that we experience a cinema show. When we watch a cinema show or television program, we experience our self as a spectator who exists outside the moving picture that we are watching, but when we experience a Dream, we experience our self as a Person – a Body & Mind – who is a part of the Dream World that we are experiencing.  Similarly, when we experience our present Waking State, we experience our self as a Person a Body & Mind who is a part of this Waking World that we are now experiencing.

The above themes & 2500 pages more are freely available as perused or downloaded PDF’s, the sole occupants of a Public Microsoft Skydrive “Public Folder” accessible through  www.jpstiga.com 

short-cut: http://sdrv.ms/YPOgkX or http://tinyurl.com/nnyyr58  link directly to free E-book PDF files

www.jpstiga.com/

http://jstiga.wixsite.com/nonduality/

Different blogs (but with graphics) are available on:

http://www.blogger.com     as  “Being-as-Consciousness, Non-Duality – new & final version” with link:

http://Being-as-Consciousness.blogspot.com/

There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

 for very succinct summary of the teaching & practice, see:  www.ajatavada.com/

[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

also:  Most of this material will be long searchable via “John Stiga” etc, on the “Wayback Machine” Internet Archive.

Also related to these topics, there are now 8 Kindle books on “Amazon.com”, reference-able by the author “John Stiga”, each indicated as noncopyrighted, publicdomain, & priced at the minimum $0.99 each.

Mind & Happiness 115

Mind & Happiness 115

Though the Absolute Truth is that Deep Dreamless Sleep is a State of Infinite Non-Dual Self-Consciousness, which is the only existing Reality, so long as we imagine our self to be this Mind, for all practical purposes we have to concede that Deep Dreamless Sleep does indeed appear to be a relative state of “self-forgetfulness”.

Only if we recognize the fact that the sole cause of the appearance of our Mind is our imaginary “self-forgetfulness” or “self-ignorance”, will we be able to understand that the only means by which we can transcend the limitations that are seemingly imposed upon us by our Mind is to destroy this illusion of “self-forgetfulness”.  In order to destroy this Illusion, we must know our self as we really are, & in order to know our self as we really are, we must attend to our Self to our fundamental Consciousness of our own Essential Existence, “I exist”.

Therefore, though Sri Ramana experienced the Absolute Truth the Truth that we have never really “forgotten” our Self, because we are the perfectly Non-Dual Self-Consciousness, which never knows anything other than itself in his Teachings he accepted the relative reality of our present imaginary “self-forgetfulness” or “self-ignorance”.  This is the reason why he began the above verse of Ēkātma Pañcakam with the words, “Having forgotten our Self.”  After saying, “Having forgotten our Self“, Sri Ramana says.having thought [this] Body indeed is myself,” because our present Imagination that we are this Body arises as a result of our “self-forgetfulness”.

If we clearly knew what we really are, we could not imagine our self to be anything that we are not.  Therefore we could not imagine our self to be this Body if we did not first imagine our seeming “self-forgetfulness” or lack of clarity of Self-Consciousness.  Whenever our Mind becomes active, whether in Waking or in Dream, it first imagines itself to be a Body, & then through the 5 Senses of that imaginary Body it perceives an imaginary World.

Our Mind cannot function without first limiting itself within the confines of an imaginary Body, which it mistakes to be “I”.  Hence our Mind is an intrinsically limited & therefore distorted  form of Consciousness.  Without imagining itself to be something finite, our Mind could not imagine anything that is other than itself.  All otherness or duality is an Imagination that can come into existence only when we imagine our self to be a separate & therefore finite “consciousness”.

The above themes & 2500 pages more are freely available as perused or downloaded PDF’s, the sole occupants of a Public Microsoft Skydrive “Public Folder” accessible through  www.jpstiga.com 

short-cut: http://sdrv.ms/YPOgkX or http://tinyurl.com/nnyyr58  link directly to free E-book PDF files

www.jpstiga.com/

http://jstiga.wixsite.com/nonduality/

Different blogs (but with graphics) are available on:

http://www.blogger.com     as  “Being-as-Consciousness, Non-Duality – new & final version” with link:

http://Being-as-Consciousness.blogspot.com/

There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

 for very succinct summary of the teaching & practice, see:  www.ajatavada.com/

[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

also:  Most of this material will be long searchable via “John Stiga” etc, on the “Wayback Machine” Internet Archive.

Also related to these topics, there are now 8 Kindle books on “Amazon.com”, reference-able by the author “John Stiga”, each indicated as noncopyrighted, publicdomain, & priced at the minimum $0.99 each.

Mind & Happiness 114

Mind & Happiness 114

When we analyze our experience in Deep Dreamless Sleep more deeply, it becomes clear to us that though we now imagine that we did not experience any consciousness in Deep Dreamless Sleep, we did in fact experience our Fundamental Consciousness of our own Essential Existence, “I exist”.  Therefore, though Deep Dreamless Sleep does appear to our Waking Mind to be a State of “self-forgetfulness”, on more careful consideration we cannot deny the fact that we did indeed experience our Natural & Eternal Self-Consciousness even in Deep Dreamless Sleep.

Hence, when talking from the perspective of the Absolute Reality, which is our own Infinite Self-Consciousness, “I exist”, Sri Ramana used to describe Deep Dreamless Sleep as our True State Of Non-Dual Self-Consciousness. The truth is that we do indeed know that we exist even in Deep Dreamless Sleep.  However, though in Deep Dreamless Sleep we know that we are, we appear not to know what we are.

Nevertheless, though we appear not to know what we are in Deep Dreamless Sleep, we should remember that this seeming “ignorance” or “forgetfulness” of our Real Self in Deep Dreamless Sleep is imaginary & therefore unreal, just as our present “ignorance” or “forgetfulness” of our Real Self is imaginary & unreal.

We have never truly forgotten our Real Self, or been ignorant of it.  We merely imagine that we do not know our self as we really are.  However, as Sri Ramana repeatedly pointed out to us, this imaginary “self-ignorance” or “self-forgetfulness” is experienced only by our Mind, & not by our Real Self, which always experiences itself as Infinite & eternally happy Consciousness of just Existence.

Since in Deep Dreamless Sleep we do not experience our Mind, which alone imagines the existence of “self-forgetfulness”, Deep Dreamless Sleep cannot really be a State of “self-forgetfulness”.  In Deep Dreamless Sleep no individual consciousness exists to experience “self-forgetfulness”.  All that exists in Deep Dreamless Sleep is our un-adulterated Consciousness of our own Real Self or Essential Existence, “I exist”. Therefore, though the relative truth about sleep is that it is a state of “self-forgetfulness”, the Absolute Truth about Deep Dreamless Sleep is that it is a State of perfect Self-Consciousness or Self-Knowledge.

The above themes & 2500 pages more are freely available as perused or downloaded PDF’s, the sole occupants of a Public Microsoft Skydrive “Public Folder” accessible through  www.jpstiga.com 

short-cut: http://sdrv.ms/YPOgkX or http://tinyurl.com/nnyyr58  link directly to free E-book PDF files

www.jpstiga.com/

http://jstiga.wixsite.com/nonduality/

Different blogs (but with graphics) are available on:

http://www.blogger.com     as  “Being-as-Consciousness, Non-Duality – new & final version” with link:

http://Being-as-Consciousness.blogspot.com/

There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

 for very succinct summary of the teaching & practice, see:  www.ajatavada.com/

[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

also:  Most of this material will be long searchable via “John Stiga” etc, on the “Wayback Machine” Internet Archive.

Also related to these topics, there are now 8 Kindle books on “Amazon.com”, reference-able by the author “John Stiga”, each indicated as noncopyrighted, publicdomain, & priced at the minimum $0.99 each.

Mind & Happiness 113

Mind & Happiness 113

Sri Ramana sometimes described Deep Dreamless Sleep as a “sample” of our True State of Non-Dual Self-Consciousness, & at other times he described it as an imaginary State of “self-forgetfulness”.  Why did he refer to Deep Dreamless Sleep in these 2 different ways, which are seemingly contradictory ?

Deep Dreamless Sleep appears to be a state of “self-forgetfulness” only from the perspective of our Mind, which is itself an imaginary product of our seeming “self-forgetfulness”. If we had not seemingly forgotten our Real Self, we could not now imagine our self to be this Mind, which appears to be something other than our Real Self our true Non-Dual Consciousness of our own Essential Existence or “is”-ness. Therefore, though our “self-forgetfulness” is truly imaginary, from the perspective of our Mind it is a fact that is undeniably “real”.

Our imaginary “self-forgetfulness” is like a Deep Dreamless Sleep.  Just as Deep Dreamless Sleep is the seeming darkness or lack of clarity without which no Dream could appear, so our “self-forgetfulness” is the seeming darkness or lack of clarity without which we could not imagine our self to be experiencing the States of Dualistic “knowledge” that we call Waking & Dream.

Though our Mind disappears in Deep Dreamless Sleep every day, it reappears from Deep Dreamless Sleep as soon as it has thereby recuperated sufficient energy to engage in another period of activity.  It appears, therefore, that in Deep Dreamless Sleep our Mind somehow continues to exist in a seed form a dormant & un-manifest form, which will again become manifest as soon as the conditions become favorable, the favorable conditions,  in this case being a sufficient internal store of energy to become active once again.

Since our Mind reappears after a period of rest in Deep Dreamless Sleep, from the perspective of this Mind our idea that in Deep Dreamless Sleep we continue to be unaware or forgetful of our Real Self our true Non-Dual Consciousness of our own Essential Existence, “I exist” appears to be quite true.  Therefore, when talking from the perspective of our Mind, Sri Ramana used to describe Deep Dreamless Sleep as an imaginary state of “self-forgetfulness”.

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There is no Creation, no Destruction, no Bondage, no longing to be freed from Bondage, no striving for Liberation, nor anyone who has attained Liberation. Know that this to be Ultimate Truth.

  the “no creation” school of Gaudapada, Shankara, Ramana, Nome  Ajata Vada

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[A brief note of explanation this Blog is entitled “Non-Duality & Science”, & so the more Science oriented pages (from what I like to think of as a “comic book”) have been posted there, while other chapters have been posted in the other Blog noted below. Science is a mental discipline that attracts some worthy admirers & participators.  Some of these, too few, are good prospects for the ancient teaching introduced here in many ways.  Otherwise certain Science topics like the Anthropic Principle, reinforce the general Theism which is a good idea in this materialistic age. A few other topics in Science, such as the Copenhagen II Max Born Von Neumann Wigner model of Quantum Mechanics, are worthy entries to the extent that they introduce Consciousness into the physical Sciences. All that aside, the real topic here is the pinnacle as Advaita Vedanta, Non-Duality that pinnacle being Ajata Vada, NoCreation. The great Teachers of the same include Sri Shankara & Sri Ramana Maharshi.  Both would support Theism in general & adaptations of Vedanta, such as Vishishtadvaita Vedanta Qualified Non-Duality, for those not making headway in Ajata Vada, their present course of growth might be better served with a temporary involvement in Qualified Non-Duality. The scientist who perhaps best expresses the influence of Qualified Non-Duality in Science, for instance, would be the quintessential “NewAge” Quantum Physicist, Amit Goswami. And so to that source, & the Quantum Activism he currently advocates [with a 1course  degree program], along with more than a half-dozen good books & former participation in the controversial What the Bleep movie, to him I extend enthusiastic endorsement, for that Qualified Non-Duality described in the context of Science.  I do not stand so much “with him”, as much as nearby saluting his good work. Again, as here, a goal is inserting Consciousness into Science & “saving the World.”]

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